OMS Diet Motivation & Support

I had a huge number of blood tests recently. A bit of background: 4 years ago I had trouble conceiving my toddler due to erratic cycles, I was found to be insulin resistant (high blood pressure helped to title it Syndrome X), but at the time, the focus was on getting pregnant so with a little medication, I got pregnant and insulin problems were forgotten. 2 years later MS presented itself and as my cycles and blood pressure are now regular (and I now follow OMS!) I assumed the insulin resistance was also dead in the water.

So, my blood test wasn't favourable in the insulin department. My fasting insulin was significantly higher than it should be, which indicates pre-diabetes. I've already eliminated saturated fats (meat and dairy from the food pyramid plus many straight fats) from my diet, but now my doctor is also recommending the removal of carbohydrates. Which leaves... next to nothing.

Does/did anyone else have Type 2 Diabetes, and how did you reconcile this with your MS diet? Would love to hear any recommendations. Before anyone tells me that the OMS diet is fine for pre-/diabetes, I'd been on it for over 14 months before my "bad" blood test last week, so I know that OMS alone isn't going to help me. I almost feel like I have to pick which disease is "worse" and treat that one, as I don't see how I can like the life I am (travelling almost every second week for work) on such a hugely restricted diet. It was hard enough just with OMS.

Please help and offer advice. At this stage, I'm thinking to reduce all carbs except for brown rice and potatoes when at home, and allow them in when necessary when travelling? Thanks for any comments xo

Hi CB. OMS doesn't get prescriptive in detail about the food we eat really, but Terry Wahls has, and she reckons to get the super nutrition we need, we should be eating 3 cups of leafy green vegetables, 3 cups of sulphur rich vegetables, and three cups of coloured vegetables and fruits each day, with mushrooms, seaweed and so on once a week. If you ignore her suggestion to eat organ meats and other meats, that leaves OMS friendly fish, which I don't think is going to be a problem for pre-diabetes?

So that leaves heaps of fruit and veges, plus fish, which is a pretty healthy diet, and a lot of food each day. Three cups is a dinner plate, heaped high. I have been trying to get those 9 cups in, and it is hard. It really is a lot of fruit and veg. There would be carbs in fruit and veg, but not as much I think as in rice and potatoes, and less likely to spike blood sugar I suppose, except maybe the fruit, but you're getting it as nature intended, with all its natural fibre.

I'm not plugging Terry Wahls over OMS, just I think that it is helpful the way she spells out the type of fruit and veg we need, and the specific quantities. By the time you've eaten all that, there probably wouldn't be room for anything else! Would that take care of both conditions for you?

From my little reading into diabetes I would be going all meat free including fish, even if to trial it for 1 month then take the test again. I read jeff novick and forks over knives stuff.
Avoid all refined grains and the like.
I am not a fan of organ meats and bone broth my Terry Whal but do like all the veg promoted.
Somewhere I have a link to a great study done 40 odds years ago that stands today.

Picking uP on other thread it is not great to b be hungry this might be up setting your blood sugar stability as a guess

Isn't it refined carbohydrates that should be avoided by diabetices, and beans, oats, whole grains are good?

Yes whole foods including grains, beans etc are good potatoes and sweet potatoes. I'll see if I can find the link. Got it.
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2013nl/ ... inpdf3.pdf
There are elements of what we do here for our MS healing path but there is much to relate to.

Hi CB

I have diabetes. There is a big genetic link in my family, amongst the thin and active as well as the overweight. It does have a link to weight/ food /lifestyle, but also can be genetic and autoimmune. I was diagnosed underactive thyroid in 2007, and leading up to that, I was gaining weight which I could not fight off, despite being active and eating well ( pre MS). It took a couple of years to diagnose the thyroid and be treated for that, so during that time of weight gain, I also was then diagnosed with diabetes in 2008. The diagnosis of the thyroid and diabetes and being treated for those helped me lose 5kg, but not all of the weight I had gained. The advice to treat the diabetes was mostly about eating a "balanced diet" with some carbohydrates, but not too much, and is not really related to sugar, although that is what people who don' t know think it is all about.

Two years later in 2010 was when I had my first MS attack and was diagnosed straight away, as there were some incidents I had recalled in the past of optic neuritis, (at the time of the optic neuritis I thought it was diabetes related). When I went back to my endocrinologist (who treats the diabetes and thyroid) a couple of months after the MS diagnosis, he was the one who has been the most helpful in regard to vitamin D. He realised that my initial level was very low, (43nmo/l). He prescribed an injection of vitamin D of the dose of 600,000 iu. Within a few days of that injection, the tingling that had been in my leg for 4 months faded very quickly. A blood test showed vitamin D at 105 nmo/l ,and I took some megadoses, and continue at 10,000 per day. It now stays pretty well above 200. He gets me to do a yearly blood test, that includes the diabetes and thyroid, vit d, as well as a whole lot of other tests. He is actually very positive about the changes that the OMS programme has made to all of these indicators, including the diabetes. He says that Vitamin D level plays a big role in diabetes. I have lost another 5kg on OMS, but it seems to have stopped there. OMS has made a huge difference to my MS, such that I would barely consider I have any symptoms of MS and I am no longer on any MS medication. It has stabilised my diabetes somewhat, but I am still on diabetes medication, at a reduced level. The endocrinologist was also the one who realised I am borderline coeliac/ gluten intolerant. So I have to cut out certain types of gluten grains, oats etc. A bit tricky, because the gluten free grains have higher GI and can be less stable for blood super.

As to which disease to "pick" to treat, the doctor thought I needed to concentrate on the MS, as he considered it may have more impact, but I found that OMS (plus gluten free) has actually helped stabilise all of the other factors. CB, I think you could see a dietician who will help you understand that you don't need to cut out all carbohydrates, I don't think that is recommended for people with diabetes. The doctors often have very little training in nutrition, whereas a dietician has more nutrition training. You have obviously been following the OMS programme, and it is frustrating when something like this comes up. We think OMS will fix everything!

It does help to have snacks ( fruit and vegetable and nuts and dried fruit, rice crackers and hommus etc) to keep the blood levels stable. I am not sure that cutting out fish (going totally vegan) would make any difference, there have been sometimes when I have tried that, but I don't think it made much difference.


Hoping this helps


Janice

Hello everyone. Sorry for bumping. How are you all? I was wondering if someone could share your experience with diabetics? Is it possible to reverse it?

There's no cure for type 2 diabetes, however it's indeed possible to reverse it. My sister is type 2 diabetic. She to control her blood sugar level. However, I'd like her to go without meds, but only with a proper diet and exercises.