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What it isn't

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:14 am
by Messpositif
Am I right in thinking that meditation is just about the opposite of a wandering mind?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/16/science/16tier.html
(not sure if you have to register to read, but I think worth the effort)

Re: What it isn't

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:02 pm
by Messpositif
Jon Kabat-Zinn, in Mindfulness For Beginners, says for the first 5 or 6 years, don't tell anyone that you are meditating. But he also says that generosity, openness and compassion to others and oneself is at the heart of mindfulness.
I certainly appreciate any that do contribute here.

Re: What it isn't

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:06 am
by msr
I wonder if it is really possible to ever achieve a 'non-wandering' mind... for me mindfulness is about awareness and practicing conscious living - my goal is not to still my mind, but rather to not get hooked when it does wander, to be aware so that I can bring it back to the present moment. Amazing just how hard this can be to do :lol:


shelly

Re: What it isn't

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:09 pm
by Messpositif
In that our objective in meditation is towards a state of calm, being in the present, moving the mind from frontal thinky-thinky to the more central emotion brain area, to still the judgment processor, .... How is it that my best efforts have been amidst hubbub?
Waiting for someone outside a rush hour supermarket, the throng busily working around me, I find I can sometimes slip into a relaxed and detached state quite easily. But in the peace of my own home, or trying to follow some expert advice, I'm plagued by sleep, laughter, annoyance, wandering mind, and every body ache seems amplified to distraction.
As a wee child, I alarmed my mother once by screaming in the bathroom. Apparently I'd grasped that God was everywhere, but I couldn't see him. I'd thought of a scheme to make his acquaintance, I'd blocked the bath overflow hole with soap. I needed help to pin God down for a chat, he must be hiding under the bath as there was nowhere else to hide. Meditation can seem like that to me. To quote Baroness Orczy's Marguerite:
They seek him here,
They seek him there,
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven,
Or is he in hell?
My own elusive Pimpernel.
It may be easy for some, but meditation has me wondering if I am French and in need of soap.

Re: What it isn't

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:57 pm
by catriona
msr wrote: I wonder if it is really possible to ever achieve a 'non-wandering' mind... for me mindfulness is about awareness and practicing conscious living - my goal is not to still my mind, but rather to not get hooked when it does wander, to be aware so that I can bring it back to the present moment. Amazing just how hard this can be to do :lol:



I think Shelly is spot on - I'm not sure the mind ever can be static, it's always moving, and mindfulness is being aware of this, and always guiding it back to the present moment

Re: What it isn't

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:31 am
by msr
I've noticed the same contradiction, Mess Positive. I usually meditate twice a day, once in the morning while my toddlers play around me and once at night after everyone has gone to bed - the short, chaotic morning meditation is usually best!

I think its because its all relative - amidst the chaos, any kind of stillness of mind seems more so, whilst compared to the quiet of the evening, my mind seems incredibly noisy!