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Hello All

I hope you are all having a good time this time of the year (as much as possible). Im taking vitamin b-complex quite regularly but recently i have found out that they actually act as a stimulant :shock: for immune system so obviously i wanted to ask someone knowledgeable whether they are safe for ms pacients.
Is there a reason to be worried you think? every opinion much appreciated. The particular brand im taking is vitabiotics "ultra b complex"
b1-5mg,b2-1.4mg,b3-16mg,b6-5mb,folic-200ug,b12-50ug,biotin-25ug,pantothenic-6mg.

Thanks again and i wish to all of us :) peacefull and relapse free Christmas
Simonko,

The OMS program recommends that we take B12, and recognises that the B group of vitamins are particularly important in people with MS. Below is a transcript from this link: http://www.overcomingmultiplesclerosis. ... pplements/

Vitamin B12
Vitamin B12 is an extremely important nutrient. It is a B group vitamin found primarily in meat, especially liver, eggs and dairy products. No plant foods can be relied on as a definite source of vitamin B12. It is necessary for the maintenance of a healthy nervous system and plays a key role in the metabolism of fatty acids essential for the maintenance of myelin. Prolonged B12 deficiency can lead to nerve degeneration and irreversible neurological damage. Deficiency is more commonly caused by failure to absorb B12 from the intestine rather than a dietary deficiency.

People with low levels of acid in the stomach are susceptible to deficiency. Deficiency is well known to occur in vegans. As many people are taking drugs which lower stomach acid levels, like ranitidine or omeprazole, if they are also on a vegan diet, there is a real risk of B12 deficiency. It can take many years for deficiency disease to develop after changing to diets low in B12. B12 deficiency is surprisingly common, even in people who are not on vegan diets or have low acid levels in their stomachs. One Australian study showed that about 23% of people aged over 50 had low vitamin B12 levels.11

Fortunately vitamin B12 is completely non-toxic, so it is impossible to do any harm by taking supplements. People with MS on vegan diets like the one recommended here really should be taking regular vitamin B12 tablets, of the order of 250 to 1,000 micrograms per week. It is quite effective by mouth, and does not require injection12-14, contrary to popular belief, and is quite cheap.

MS and vitamin B12 deficiency are pretty similar diseases in terms of their inflammatory and neurodegenerative processes. It is actually hard to tell the difference between them sometimes, due to similarities in clinical features and MRI findings. In addition, decreased levels of vitamin B12 are fairly common in MS patients. In addition to its role in myelin formation discussed above, B12 has important immunomodulatory and neurotrophic effects, a bit like vitamin D. Researchers have raised the possibility of B12 causing MS, and suggested close monitoring of vitamin B12 levels in people with MS, as well as B12 supplementation.15

The B group vitamins in general are extremely important for normal brain function. They are quite cheap and readily absorbed. The dose may need to be increased this if alcohol intake is high. The B group also includes folate. Folate deficiency has most recently been shown to be involved in causing Alzheimer’s Disease. Folate is intimately related to normal nerve cell development, as shown by the reduced incidence of spina bifida in babies born to mothers taking folate supplements.
Cheers,

Sue

OMG December 2011 OMS January 2012 OMS Retreat March 2012 Benign MS Sep 2015
Two Very Mild Relapses since diagnosis. Copaxone May 2013 No new lesions on MRI since diagnosis
Simonko,

like you, I also take the B complex supplement, according to everything I've read and the book, I am not concerned with the supplement since we are not eating the red meats and similar foods that are high in b vitamins. Interestingly, I found these articles on the efficacy of high dose thiamine (B1) in several diseases:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23861280/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23 ... 80/related

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23 ... 80/related

Best wishes
Thank you both for VERY helpful answers. It made my Christmas eve much much better. Have a lovely time !
I read that vitamin B12 deficiency can result in some clinical characteristics similar to what is seen in multiple sclerosis patients. What do you think about it? Also find interesting article about erectile dysfunction and vitamin B - https://eddrugs2017.com/curing-erectile ... vitamin-b/
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tommy-boy! wrote: Simonko,

like you, I also take the B complex supplement, according to everything I've read and the book, I am not concerned with the supplement since we are not eating the red meats and similar foods that are high in b vitamins. Interestingly, I found these articles on the efficacy of high dose thiamine (B1) in several diseases:


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23 ... 80/related

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23 ... 80/related

Best wishes
I think a person could have a blood test to find out what their vitamin b12 level was then no need to speculate if symptoms are from deficiency or ms.
I have mine tested twice a year.
Simonko wrote: Hello All

I hope you are all having a good time this time of the year (as much as possible). Im taking vitamin b-complex quite regularly but recently i have found out that they actually act as a stimulant :shock: for immune system so obviously i wanted to ask someone knowledgeable whether they are safe for ms pacients.
Is there a reason to be worried you think? every opinion much appreciated. The particular brand im taking is vitabiotics "ultra b complex"
b1-5mg,b2-1.4mg,b3-16mg,b6-5mb,folic-200ug,b12-50ug,biotin-25ug,pantothenic-6mg.

Thanks again and i wish to all of us :) peacefull and relapse free Christmas


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This product is a combination of B vitamins used to treat or prevent vitamin deficiency due to poor diet, certain illnesses, alcoholism, or during pregnancy. ... B vitamins include thiamine, riboflavin, niacin/niacinamide, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, and pantothenic acid.
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